she is getting better at talking to him and we have seen civilian adrien open up to her. relaxing a bit to call himself lame during gamer which she responds with impulsively giving him luckcharm with the intention of cheering him of. she didnt give it with romance in mind or plan it...just impulsive because she wanted him to feel better about himself. and he doesnt know it but he opened up to her about his mom in simon says which gaveher a little more insite. and she helped him as mari dealing with paparazzi and getting to his moms movie. and she knows he is helpful and kind because aly gives him oppotunities around mari. mari saw his nervious side with kagami and helped him out. mnd you she doesnt get to see alot of adrien's negatives. but they ARE friends even her her nerves act up from time to time. and she does see him everyday. I would say she reacts unheathy toward him...though more in regards to herself. of he doesnt show bad traits about her then she won't be able to find them. I personally think because she is so worried about wanting to show her good sides to him her nerves and less aboyut him being perfect rather than a excuse to hold herself back. and to be fair she HAS tried to confess. first in the poem shesent on valentines day. then the love letter that got switched with master fu's perscription. then the video she sent with the rest of the videos. they got to him. the issue was her name wasn't on one because she forgot in her excitment. one was a switch but she DID succesfully deliver something to him. and the third was felix's fault.
its true marinette didn't follow up once these things got messed up and she realized her message didn't get across but she did seriously try. and to be fair adrien and chat are pretty different on the surface level and their interactions with her. and to be fair to her on luka. she thought luka was attractive and got a minicrush but its steal clear she is more focused on adrien in the show. luka tends to put her at ease and she shows those mature kind patient traits that attracted her to adrien. luka is also a civilian who she can properly get to know and he expressed interest right away. its not exactly chat's fault but she dd assume he wasnt serious due to his jokey tone alot until glacatiour. and she cant know his name or little details about chat right now and she LIKES little details. and chat shows some negatives like flirting and getting distracted during akuma attacks at times and its understandable she'd be a bit irritated when she has her own crush and chat kept insisting on his at times. chat shows the same sweetness but circumstances make it so mari cant absorb it properly due to being in battle most of the time unlike with adrien or luka.
Mari admired adrien being emotionally brave to be vulnerableto somone who judged him and shouted at him on the first day. and honestly they are young and most love tends to start off shallow. it can just grow and change over time.
i am a bit concerned about how she tends to put herself down in comparison to adrien despite how he obviously thinks the world of mari and praises her all the time. plus why would mri want adrien to be chat? it would work in her favor because he is one of her best friends as chat and he loves her....but on the other hand it would mean she has been turning down her crush and didnt recognize him. no one wants to find out they've been ignoring their crush flirting with them. ad it would mean accepting she has shown her crush sides she hasnt wanted to show him yet. we all want to show our crushes our good side. ifshe accepts chat is adrien it meansshe chucked adrien at a akuma and certain things nd up more embarrassing.
adrien does at least admire alot of marinette and isnt blind to her awesomness...though i get your point...if adrien is going to notice marinette she cant just wait for him to fall for her without making her feelings clear first. he's already in one unrequited love and adrien needs someone who can communicate and let him know how important he is to them instead of assuming he knows or hiding it because it might put their heart at risk of vulnerability. adrien has some high maintenanc people with his dad, gorilla, nathalie, chloe and plagg who arent exactly the most straitforward of people. and to be fair its not like she owes chat to choose him as a second choice. he is important to her and he is worth more than a rebound and dating him would be complicated.
and it could be argued that adrien should notice mari and go for her if he loves ladybug. recognize hi attraction to her but he goes with kagami. in the end it comes down to timing and what traits are what you focus on.
adrien sees mari as awesome but due to their rockystart and how popular she is he assumes she wouldnt be interested that way and focuses on friendship. that he is lucky she listened and believed him on the gum incident. compared to that ladybug and chat were on a positive neutral interaction so it makes sense he'd think he'd have a better chance in deepening that positive relationship eventually
thats not a good reason for her to be so against the idea of chat and adrien being the same person its not right she would end up hurting his feelings and isn't chat her great frind? why the hell she should be so against him being also her love. i don't say she owes anything i don't even say she should love him insteed bc people feel what they feel i say at the least she should gave him ONE CHANCE! he was trying for her for two fucking years! she never gave him a chance! why kagami? bc she fucking stare him at the eye and told him she loves him. he asked mari before and she denied having any feeling for him. she lied to him! and adrien wouldn't go and try to ask her out when the girl can't even talk to him! she think it would just scare her more!
oh and about wanting showing someone you like you're good side? i don't think it's right? i mean if they couln't love your flaws then they don't deserve you. i always tell people i talk a lot! i don't need them try to be my friend and end up telling me to shut up! i give them a heads up. (and bc i don't think it's such a bad think but i know others do so...) you should show aquly of both? that way they would see bad and good togheter. and if they except both then things would go fine.
true long lasting relationships of course you should find out the flaws of your loved ones and trust your loved ones with your own flaws for full acceptance. but even adrien as aspik wanted to impress ladybug and hot upset finding out he said mean things during dark cupid to her on another occasion. we tend to judge if we want to hang with someone based on our first ipressions and we tend to want to show our best foot forward. then as we get mor comfortable we open up and start showig more sides of ourselves. in the long run its true we should be comfortable showing all of our sides. but its also understandable to want to keep some of our worst aspects from people we love because we don't want to disapoint them. like if you have a jealousy streak...people can try to hide it or hold it back or pretend they arent because jealousy can be ugly. ladybug is someone chat loves and who he wants to like him but being chat is also hs freedom so he doesnt hide himself as chat and shows his honest feelings most of the time even some of his passive agressive sides..but even he didn't want LB to find out how he caused copycat. We know adrien would accept all of mari on both sides but its not always about if the other person will accept you, its if your comfortable trusting them with those sides of you that YOU don't even like. and most of the time that trust takes time.
but most peoplee go in with the mentality of showing thir best, getting the person to like you first and then bringing out other sides because people will accept more once they already love you.
like if someone started off with the first impressions showing their worst sides it can dampen wanting to get to know them more and thats understandable even if we know the person is more than those first impressions.
its definitly alot easier owning and being open about yourself from the get go but alot of people don't feel comfortable opening up from the get go. If I'm slow to open up and I realize this person isnt interested(friendship or romance) then it hurts less because it doesnt feel like they properly know me. adrien is more emotionally brave in that regard. especially as chat.
but it doesn't mean mari isnt worth it just ecause she is stuck in her head and wants to impress the guy she likes. after all we know they got off on the wrong foot where she felt like she showed him a bad time by accusing him, not believng his at firs about the gum incident on the first day.
and while no one should change themselves or do stuff just to get someone to like you....the fact is its very tempting to do so. its instinctual for lots of people to be nicer to people we like or want to like us back. and mari gave chloe a chance and tried to see her more as just the evil hatable bully because mari had feelings for adrien at first. mari has every right to hate chloe and to b stubborn about it..but mari went to the chloe trying to be nice party because adrien was there. and tried to look a little deeper in chloe and even changed her mind about being happy chloe was leaving the class before due to adrien's influence. and eventually mari ended up caring enough about chloe she was worried about hurting her feelings telling her she couldnt be queen bee. and finding a few good points to chloe. and mari did get some good opportuniies in her attemots to spend time with adrien or impress him. like in fencing, or the gamer tournament or being class president with a slight influence.
in the long run it doesnt help as you need to commit to your openion and be honest if you disagree but that tends to come with time. just like in regular friendships.
and while I'm frusterated at mari as well for telling him twice she didn't like him that way...to be fair would anyone want their feelings outed in those ways? by a wall of adrien that was released to the public and seen without your consent? like mari has some fangirl tendncies she needs to work on but her feelings come from a sincere place and the posters she could see as being a shallow representation of her feelings and she wasnt ready and put on the spot. and the wax musuem she was in the wrong for running off on him and making him think he did something wrong earlier but she was doing her confession and semi kissed him and was over all cringe embarrassing when she thought it was safe just to find out she did that to the real adrien instead of a waxdrien. something she would have never done to the real adrien. its frusterating but its understandably why she would be embarrassed and wouldnt want him to find out her feelings from THAT display. its frusterating to us because we know he cared and he needs honesty and pretending it was all a joke was frusterating because we thought he could FINALLY know. its frusterating but its understandable why mari would be embarrassed and backtrack during that.
though it also makes me frusterated at the fandom because those moments help show adrien isnt dumb for thinking mari doesnt like him like that.
I know plenty of people who wouldn't confess to a crush because they had the feeling it wasnt recrocated and they didnt ant to mae it weird. making the first move is hard and mari isnt good at flirting/testing the waters due to her nerves. like at least chat flirted and had the idea his feelings werent returned already but he still took the chance to confess so she understood his feelings. but it did take him until season 2. chat got despondant over copycat for example when ladybug said the real chat doesnt love her which confirmed she didnt like him and she hadnt been understanding his interest and it sucked and hurt for him but she honestly didnt know.
same as when adrien accidentally hurts mari at times.
and to be fair timelines in canon are difficult. and while we want her to give him a chance, if someone liked you are you obligated to give them a chance or date them just because they liked you a long time? its really risky to date and getting his hopes up when she still likes someone else. they have to work together. if they break up or he feels hurt ifthey try and they don't work out....paris is at stake and they still have to work together.
and she'd be fine being her love if drien was chat because she cares about both. HE would not be the issue. its accepting she did alot of embarrassing stuff aronund chat she probably wouldnt have done if she knew she had a crush on him. when you realize someone isnt just your friend it can make past actions seem more embarrassing.
like for example while its understandable at the time...adrien would probably feel embarrassed that he used to call mari a good friend or just a friend to try to ship her with luka and tried to help his best friend get with her. stuff that he shouldn't HAV to feel embarrassed about but in hindsite would be embarrassing. like how he hammed it up to impress mari as chat not knowing she already knew him as ladybug and she was teasing him a little while he hammed it up. if adrien and chat were seperate people mari would probably feel less embarrassed because at least she didnt have a crush on chat at the time..even if she gets a crush on him later. but finding out he is adrien would mean some of those take more embarrassing moments. like she got his childhood friend akumatized and he got stuff fighting her alone for a while in antibug. or the attacking santa and her jumping to conclusions that chat was protecting adrien is even more embarrassing when you realize chat and adrien are the same person. plus mari watches him all the time but couldnt recognize her crush was chat the whole time XD
its like finding out the answer to a riddle. the answer might be so easy its hard to accept sometimes.
besides they are teens with very intense emotions and most people are very trial and error at that age. lots of people are cringe about their crushs at that age and go at different paces. like we know mari's feelings come from the right place and she means well and cares to even give up claims to a scarf if it makes him happy but she fears rejection or embarrassingherself nfront of him so she over compensates for the closeness she wants while not wanting to be a bother with observing and lots of pictures, and the scheduale and stuff. not a great way to handle it but people act weord when they get crushs. chat tends to flirt at bad times, was pushy at others like during glacatiour when asking her out. was kindof intense. and he wasntthe greatest during frozer, or the interview with the kiss and stuff or the copycat scenerio. oblivio he already knew she liked someone else but could stop being smug about the kiss. plus it seems his antics got them hit in the first place. and he underestimated LB's powers during reflecta 2.0 episode which got ladybug to be snarky at him rather than helpful when he was mister bug.
rather than scare her I wonder if he'd think there is no point if he asked her out since she is popular as nino nate and luka has liked her but none of them have dated her and he has no reason to believe he is special to her since he sees her go out of her way for alot of their friends
WELL... that sure was a very thoughtful comment. so i don't think i get a lot of it? and that i maybe should just STOP arguing over this stuff bc our culture is difrent i'm super duper not like others and totally don't get things people say is normal and i just really love chat? and it ennoy me how they ignore him? yeah i just... stop talking about this. let us agree on a diagree!
more like I agree with you but think there should be wiggle room for people(in this case marinette) to trial and error her way into properly loving someone and being loved. people tend to open up at different speeds. more like 85% agree 15% disagree really
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