true long lasting relationships of course you should find out the flaws of your loved ones and trust your loved ones with your own flaws for full acceptance. but even adrien as aspik wanted to impress ladybug and hot upset finding out he said mean things during dark cupid to her on another occasion. we tend to judge if we want to hang with someone based on our first ipressions and we tend to want to show our best foot forward. then as we get mor comfortable we open up and start showig more sides of ourselves. in the long run its true we should be comfortable showing all of our sides. but its also understandable to want to keep some of our worst aspects from people we love because we don't want to disapoint them. like if you have a jealousy streak...people can try to hide it or hold it back or pretend they arent because jealousy can be ugly. ladybug is someone chat loves and who he wants to like him but being chat is also hs freedom so he doesnt hide himself as chat and shows his honest feelings most of the time even some of his passive agressive sides..but even he didn't want LB to find out how he caused copycat. We know adrien would accept all of mari on both sides but its not always about if the other person will accept you, its if your comfortable trusting them with those sides of you that YOU don't even like. and most of the time that trust takes time.
but most peoplee go in with the mentality of showing thir best, getting the person to like you first and then bringing out other sides because people will accept more once they already love you.
like if someone started off with the first impressions showing their worst sides it can dampen wanting to get to know them more and thats understandable even if we know the person is more than those first impressions.
its definitly alot easier owning and being open about yourself from the get go but alot of people don't feel comfortable opening up from the get go. If I'm slow to open up and I realize this person isnt interested(friendship or romance) then it hurts less because it doesnt feel like they properly know me. adrien is more emotionally brave in that regard. especially as chat.
but it doesn't mean mari isnt worth it just ecause she is stuck in her head and wants to impress the guy she likes. after all we know they got off on the wrong foot where she felt like she showed him a bad time by accusing him, not believng his at firs about the gum incident on the first day.
and while no one should change themselves or do stuff just to get someone to like you....the fact is its very tempting to do so. its instinctual for lots of people to be nicer to people we like or want to like us back. and mari gave chloe a chance and tried to see her more as just the evil hatable bully because mari had feelings for adrien at first. mari has every right to hate chloe and to b stubborn about it..but mari went to the chloe trying to be nice party because adrien was there. and tried to look a little deeper in chloe and even changed her mind about being happy chloe was leaving the class before due to adrien's influence. and eventually mari ended up caring enough about chloe she was worried about hurting her feelings telling her she couldnt be queen bee. and finding a few good points to chloe. and mari did get some good opportuniies in her attemots to spend time with adrien or impress him. like in fencing, or the gamer tournament or being class president with a slight influence.
in the long run it doesnt help as you need to commit to your openion and be honest if you disagree but that tends to come with time. just like in regular friendships.
and while I'm frusterated at mari as well for telling him twice she didn't like him that way...to be fair would anyone want their feelings outed in those ways? by a wall of adrien that was released to the public and seen without your consent? like mari has some fangirl tendncies she needs to work on but her feelings come from a sincere place and the posters she could see as being a shallow representation of her feelings and she wasnt ready and put on the spot. and the wax musuem she was in the wrong for running off on him and making him think he did something wrong earlier but she was doing her confession and semi kissed him and was over all cringe embarrassing when she thought it was safe just to find out she did that to the real adrien instead of a waxdrien. something she would have never done to the real adrien. its frusterating but its understandably why she would be embarrassed and wouldnt want him to find out her feelings from THAT display. its frusterating to us because we know he cared and he needs honesty and pretending it was all a joke was frusterating because we thought he could FINALLY know. its frusterating but its understandable why mari would be embarrassed and backtrack during that.
though it also makes me frusterated at the fandom because those moments help show adrien isnt dumb for thinking mari doesnt like him like that.
I know plenty of people who wouldn't confess to a crush because they had the feeling it wasnt recrocated and they didnt ant to mae it weird. making the first move is hard and mari isnt good at flirting/testing the waters due to her nerves. like at least chat flirted and had the idea his feelings werent returned already but he still took the chance to confess so she understood his feelings. but it did take him until season 2. chat got despondant over copycat for example when ladybug said the real chat doesnt love her which confirmed she didnt like him and she hadnt been understanding his interest and it sucked and hurt for him but she honestly didnt know.
same as when adrien accidentally hurts mari at times.
and to be fair timelines in canon are difficult. and while we want her to give him a chance, if someone liked you are you obligated to give them a chance or date them just because they liked you a long time? its really risky to date and getting his hopes up when she still likes someone else. they have to work together. if they break up or he feels hurt ifthey try and they don't work out....paris is at stake and they still have to work together.
and she'd be fine being her love if drien was chat because she cares about both. HE would not be the issue. its accepting she did alot of embarrassing stuff aronund chat she probably wouldnt have done if she knew she had a crush on him. when you realize someone isnt just your friend it can make past actions seem more embarrassing.
like for example while its understandable at the time...adrien would probably feel embarrassed that he used to call mari a good friend or just a friend to try to ship her with luka and tried to help his best friend get with her. stuff that he shouldn't HAV to feel embarrassed about but in hindsite would be embarrassing. like how he hammed it up to impress mari as chat not knowing she already knew him as ladybug and she was teasing him a little while he hammed it up. if adrien and chat were seperate people mari would probably feel less embarrassed because at least she didnt have a crush on chat at the time..even if she gets a crush on him later. but finding out he is adrien would mean some of those take more embarrassing moments. like she got his childhood friend akumatized and he got stuff fighting her alone for a while in antibug. or the attacking santa and her jumping to conclusions that chat was protecting adrien is even more embarrassing when you realize chat and adrien are the same person. plus mari watches him all the time but couldnt recognize her crush was chat the whole time XD
its like finding out the answer to a riddle. the answer might be so easy its hard to accept sometimes.
besides they are teens with very intense emotions and most people are very trial and error at that age. lots of people are cringe about their crushs at that age and go at different paces. like we know mari's feelings come from the right place and she means well and cares to even give up claims to a scarf if it makes him happy but she fears rejection or embarrassingherself nfront of him so she over compensates for the closeness she wants while not wanting to be a bother with observing and lots of pictures, and the scheduale and stuff. not a great way to handle it but people act weord when they get crushs. chat tends to flirt at bad times, was pushy at others like during glacatiour when asking her out. was kindof intense. and he wasntthe greatest during frozer, or the interview with the kiss and stuff or the copycat scenerio. oblivio he already knew she liked someone else but could stop being smug about the kiss. plus it seems his antics got them hit in the first place. and he underestimated LB's powers during reflecta 2.0 episode which got ladybug to be snarky at him rather than helpful when he was mister bug.
rather than scare her I wonder if he'd think there is no point if he asked her out since she is popular as nino nate and luka has liked her but none of them have dated her and he has no reason to believe he is special to her since he sees her go out of her way for alot of their friends
WELL... that sure was a very thoughtful comment. so i don't think i get a lot of it? and that i maybe should just STOP arguing over this stuff bc our culture is difrent i'm super duper not like others and totally don't get things people say is normal and i just really love chat? and it ennoy me how they ignore him? yeah i just... stop talking about this. let us agree on a diagree!
more like I agree with you but think there should be wiggle room for people(in this case marinette) to trial and error her way into properly loving someone and being loved. people tend to open up at different speeds. more like 85% agree 15% disagree really
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