Comment on Only One Fish in the Apartment

  1. GenuineSnoof Tue 29 Oct 2024 05:47AM UTC

    We never did find out who that guy was working for, did we? That coulda been a really good angle, I agree. Raf was just such a whumpable character, look at him!

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    1. sungarden Tue 29 Oct 2024 07:08AM UTC

      Esparza's big eyes are just urgh, does things to me, his big doe eyes in Cabaret. I think they avoid whumping Esparza because the showrunners were uncomfortable whumping male characters, Liv has been kidnapped multiple times, Rollins has been in multiple hostage situation, but the worse thing that happens to male characters is that their female family members get stuffed in the fridge, it wasn't until this year or last year that we finally have a male rape victim in the main cast, Cassidy, mentioned as something that happened to him a long time ago. Criminal Minds already did this with Derek Morgan way earlier. CSI had Nick that was molested by a female babysitter? This was spotlighted on both CM and CSI OVER 10 years ago.

      Relatively I'm madder about Hannibal, we had so many homoerotic scenes of Will and Hannibal in peril, but none with Chilton, even the scenes that so easily could have been done in a homoerotic way is really throw-away, like Gideon's comment about getting into Chilton's belly, I feel like if it was Will or Hannibal on that table there would have been some creepy caressing.

      ...has any main male character on SVU even been shown bound and gag? I've only seen the Barba episodes mostly, though I'm seeing the non-Barba episodes during the Barba seasons now too. What Lewis did to Benson, shoving his gun into her mouth, that was definitely sexual. I really wish that arc was Rafael gets kidnapped and terrorized by BX9 instead, them snatching him up when he was leaving his office late and tired, or pretending to be his Uberride, makes more sense than Murder Wizard...or Rape Wizard Lewis, somehow breaking into Liv's apartment and then terrorizing her for days before taking her out of the apartment without any of her neighburs noticing, Finn said her apartment smelled like burnt flesh. I think Liv might be bigger and heavier than Barba too, with sharper elbows, Barba would be so much easier to stuff into a trunk. Though the likeliest scenario is that BX9 pretends to be his Uber, and he is texting, looking at casefile, or even asleep before he realise they are going the wrong way. Barba gets kidnapped and held hostage to pressure the DA's office and SVU? One of the old female ADA, Alex Calbot, had to fake her death and go into the witness program, but once they switched over to guys, the death threats with Barba didn't go anywhere, and nobody tried to kidnap Peter Stone, only fridge his sister?

      ETA I feel like something like "Townhouse Incident" should have happened to the rookie Mike Dodds instead of Liv, I think it was supposed to make us feel for her but I just went "Not This Again", especially since Liv should have known better than to go inside AND go inside without expecting an ambush AND to have gone over there without alerting her squad first.
      I think before the Barba seasons Liv got kidnapped or almost raped a few times too, during the Barba seasons:
      - Got kidnapped by William Lewis and held hostage for days
      - Got held hostage by William Lewis again
      - Townhouse Incident where Liv possibly made things worse, it was after a text from Liv's workplace about a rapist being caught that one of the guys who had his girlfriend there decide to celeberate that news by taking the teenage girl hostage to another room to rape her.
      - creeped on by Richard Wheatley.

      Rollins
      - almost raped at an illegal casino -- she felt like it was about to happen
      - held hostage by incel mass shooter in Holden's Manifesto
      - had to confront her old boss who raped her back in Atlanta, stalked at night by another male co-worker who sexually threatens her
      - almost raped in Star Struck Victims?
      - creeped on my serial killers, and by that psycho kid who late became a psycho teen in Post-Graduate Psychopath (post Barba)

      Whereas with the guys, usually they get arrested...Amaro was in the hostage situation with the Born Psychopath very briefly where he got shot,but he was wearing a vest, then he got kneecapped at the court house. Mike Dodds got killed while rescuing a domestic abuse victim -- but these are more action movie consequence than whumping, and there is no sexual elements like with the female cast, even in cases with a male perp that prefers male victims -- it really would have made more sense for that guy in Criminal Hatred to attack Barba.

      ETA: all the times Liv has been held hostage...they really should have done that more with Barba and rookie Dodds instead.
      https://old.reddit.com/r/SVU/comments/15v157v/how_many_times_has_liv_been_held_hostage_or/

      They could have done entire episode where Barba is bound and gagged every time they cut to his scenes.....they kinda still could, not just in SVU but for Organized Crime.

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      1. GenuineSnoof Wed 30 Oct 2024 09:55PM UTC

        Hard agree. He has such a whumpy, expressionate face and that idea of urs sounds brilliant. Sigh.

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    3. sungarden Tue 29 Oct 2024 11:56AM UTC

      In latter seasons, Raf increasing drink coffee and booze instead of eating food, he so could collapse from malnutrition. Coffee actually reduces the damage booze does to the liver, but it can interfere with the absorption of nutrients, especially iron, and booze can make you feel full.

      Somebody does pushes Rafael on the court steps, or into traffic, or he runs into traffic while being chased in the parking lot.

      Barba has been ambushed and choked so badly he couldn't speak for a while, maybe SVU only finds out because Barba rescheduled court dates.

      Barba is snatched up or intimidated into getting into a car, and they just drive him out of town and leave him in the cold rain as a warning...or maybe his migraine causes him to pass out in the parking lot, or an ulcer (so no more take-out, home cooked meals only?)

      Barba is tied up and stuffed into a luggage case, dragged around in a dark cramped space, could other people but can't call for help because he's gagged, could barely breathe, scared of being taken out at secondary location, scared of just being left in the luggage case to die.

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      1. GenuineSnoof Wed 30 Oct 2024 09:54PM UTC

        I do love the idea of s.o. tying him to sth (tree?) in the cold and just leaves him to die. Maybe it's snowing? ;)

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        1. sungarden Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:03PM UTC

          I really like the idea of Barba being tied up and livestreamed, maybe the threat is sent directly to SVU, or they get an alert from TARU when facial recognition found out who is being whumped live and it looks non-consensual, smol lawyer being increasingly abused, tied up in an unheated barn somewhere, real cuts and bruises...pay for request to use belt, or splash cold water on him or force him to stand or have all the weight on his wrists.

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          1. GenuineSnoof Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:06PM UTC

            Or he's abandoned in the woods or sth, tied up and alone and the live feed is just him sliding into despair. He doesnt even know he's being filmed.

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            1. sungarden Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:13PM UTC

              >He doesnt even know he's being filmed.

              He could be drugged so he can't see well even if they didn't blindfold him. I like the idea of him in the custody of a creeper though, and the livestream being mysterious at first, on the dark web, like maybe at first it's just his unconscious face, then just his eyes when he wakes up, then it's obvious he's tied up and panicking, and that's when someone tip off the cops that this stream is weird. If the SVU gets the stream when his face isn't clear maybe they don't recognize him at first, just know that it's somebody distressed from the real pained whimpers and scared sobs.

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              1. GenuineSnoof Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:15PM UTC

                Is this Barisi then or pre-Barisi? ;)

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                1. sungarden Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:30PM UTC

                  Could be either or both, like they were just hooking up or started to get intimate and then Barba pulled way after Community Policing ,on rewatch, him and Liv were tense a few episodes afterwards, and he clearly didn't feel comfortable telling SVU he's been getting threats all year till the finale when he got cornered in the elevator...he didn't want to look needy, he didn't want to be coddle, and especially after Rollins had her baby he didn't want to pull Carisi away from her. Man that scene where Barba was finally telling Sonny and Amanda about the threats have me shipping Barollisi, especially if Barba gets raped or whumped so badly he has to go live with them for a while.

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                  1. GenuineSnoof Wed 30 Oct 2024 11:33PM UTC

                    That's a good point. He's sooo tense in that scene, you can see it takes a lot out of hin to just tell them. :( And he clearly thinks it's cops, since he specifically asks them to pick people they trust for his security detail.

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